Sansa Clip - Reviews?

[melodyh40]

Originally Posted by BBD

*siiigh* I'll go get the chaps...always makes him feel less Pwned....

Those are the assless ones?

[Step666]

Originally Posted by ShyAnne

No silly, those are parentheses: ( ) These are brackets: [ ]

They're both brackets, aren't they?

Brackets: ( )
Square brackets: [ ]
Curly/weird brackets: { }

Originally Posted by melodyh40

Has anyone hugged Step today?

No

[melodyh40]

Originally Posted by Step666

They're both brackets, aren't they?

Brackets: ( )
Square brackets: [ ]
Curly/weird brackets: { }

You're both kind of right. They are all "brackets" (and function as such), but ShyAnne's right - ( ) are called parentheses, [ ] are just called brackets, and { } are called braces. In math, we normally nest out in this order i.e.: 2 + { 3 * 2 - 4 [ 2 + 6 / 2 ( 7 + 10 ) * 2 ] - 1 } * 3

Equally correct is: 2 + ( 3 * 2 - 4 ( 2 + 6 / 2 ( 7 + 10 ) * 2 ) - 1 ) * 3 but is not as readable.

So, Jeff, free DAP for the first one to correctly simplify this?

[Step666]

Originally Posted by melodyh40

You're both kind of right. They are all "brackets" (and function as such), but ShyAnne's right - ( ) are called parentheses, [ ] are just called brackets, and { } are called braces.

Well, yes, parentheses are an alternative name for brackets but those other two terms must be American as no-one in the UK ever refers to [ ] as merely 'brackets' and I've never heard 'braces' used to describe punctuation either.

Originally Posted by melodyh40

In math, we normally nest out in this order i.e.: 2 + { 3 * 2 - 4 [ 2 + 6 / 2 ( 7 + 10 ) * 2 ] - 1 } * 3

Equally correct is: 2 + ( 3 * 2 - 4 ( 2 + 6 / 2 ( 7 + 10 ) * 2 ) - 1 ) * 3 but is not as readable.

Again, that may well be an American thing - or personal preference at the very least - as I've never come across anyone who replaces brackets with square or curly brackets in mathematical equations.

[melodyh40]

Hey, man, not American - CANADIAN! (...eh?)

That's surprising that they only use parentheses where you live. In the more complicated equations, it helps to have different "brackets" to keep straight what's nested in what. I've done a LOT of computer programming (Fortran, on a Unix platform) and MAN I wish I could have used different types of brackets! Would have saved me several thousand screens of compiler errors!

So, no guess at the crazy expression simplification?

[Step666]

I know you're Canadian but Canada must, surely, be full of Americanisms, right?

I don't find it surprising. I do, however, find it surprising that one would use multiple types of brackets to denote the same meaning/function.
Of course, the both of us are just products of our relative educations...

A quick attempt at working it out in my head yields -191/17.
Assuming of course that the '6 / 2 ( 7 + 10 )' part means '6/34' and not '51'.

[melodyh40]

Originally Posted by Step666

A quick attempt at working it out in my head yields -191/17.
Assuming of course that the '6 / 2 ( 7 + 10 )' part means '6/34' and not '51'.

ANNNNKKKK! You lose! That is the tricky part of the expression. The order of operations says that you do 6 / 2 and then MULTIPLY the result by 17. You've multiplied the denominator by 17, or basically done it out of order. You need to do multiplications/divisions in order from left to right.

Alright - enough geek time today! I really do miss teaching (this one always gets my students, as it's pretty tricky!).

Have a great day!

Melody

[ShyAnne]

Originally Posted by melodyh40

I'm thinking in June would be a good time. I think that any new addition (human or quasi-human!) needs dedicated time, attention, and love to really thrive.

Sounds like a plan! Training a dog is similar to raising a kid in that the Golden Rule is the same: NEVER teach them anything they are going to have to unlearn!!

Of our fur kids 2 are dogs, one champion Golden Retriever & one Rottweiller/Australian Shepherd mix from a good neighborhood. Since you have kids I highly recommend a Golden Retriever. The best with kids (and even cats!) and they make you feel like a brilliant trainer because they're so dang easy. (The Rottie/Aussie mix is sweet, but dumb as a box of rocks and not good with cats or horses.) Little dogs may seem easier but they're not, tougher to house train and they tend to be nippy with kids.

Originally Posted by BBD

No one should be without a dog and at least 3 DAPs.... It's like a rule or something....

If it's not it oughta be. 'Course if amounts correspond then Pach must have a kennel full of dogs by now. <giggle>'

Originally Posted by melodyh40

Hey, man, not American - CANADIAN! (...eh?)

Yabbut Canada is still part of North America, as in the continent. But you knew that.

Actually Step is right, Canadian and American cultures are similar. Canada's culture is certainly more similar to the US than to Europe. Some Canadians like to think otherwise though. <ducking>

Don't worry about Step's lack of hugs, he'd much rather be told he's right about something.

[melodyh40]

Yah, OK, I guess "American" could just as easily stand for "North American" (although it usually doesn't!). I spent 2 years in Atlanta, Georgia and on a surface level, the cultures are similar. But, after a while, you sure start to notice the differences. My friends were mostly black (I'm caucasian) and if I spent time with them many Americans got totally freaked out. Not cool. I actually went to the Freak'Nic (50 Black colleges across the US get together and throw a huge party every year), and BOY did I ever get the looks! Not that I care. No one is going to tell me who to be friends with. I sound like I'm in the seventh grade, eh? I've never been to the UK, so no comment there. Anyone wanna sponsor me?

We used to have a Yellow Lab, which I think has a similar temperament to the Golden Retriever. She was super hyper, though. Waaaay to hyper to be with kids. But, then, my mother in law trained her, and she's equally as hyper! So, you are what you learn! We're leaning towards the Standard Schnauzer or a Schnauzer cross. Any ideas?

[Step666]

Originally Posted by melodyh40

ANNNNKKKK! You lose!

Actually, sorry to spoil your fun but I don't.
I had worked it out the other way as well and got an answer of -1200-and-something (or whatever precisely it is). Then I kind of went eenie-meenie-minie-mo and picked one to write down.

Given that the equation was being typed, you should really have used an additional set of brackets to make it clear that it was 3x17 and not 6/34 as you can't have 'complex' fractions in a typed environment (that's 'complex' meaning 'big' not the root of -1).

So nyah!




When I said American, I suppose I didn't really mean 'North American' but then I didn't mean 'of the US' either, it was sort of halfway between the two.
No offence to Canada or the Canadians but you are really quite similar to the US. Not to say that the two countries aren't dissimilar in a number of ways as well and are both very much unique but, as Anne points out, the similarities are much stronger than they will be between either of the two and any European country. It's the same with Scotland and England, despite both having fiercely independent national identities, there will still be far more similarities between them than between either of them and the US or Canada.

I didn't mean to offend.
Sorry.

Originally Posted by ShyAnne

Don't worry about Step's lack of hugs, he'd much rather be told he's right about something.

Actually, I'd rather have a hug - I already know I'm right

[BBD]

Originally Posted by melodyh40

Those are the assless ones?

Any other kind would be mere pants, thus not nearly as... liberating....

[melodyh40]

Step - no offense taken! I don't think that it's a bad thing to be called an American, it's just not what I am! The only other country I've ever been to (outside of the US and Canada) is Mexico, and I can definitely say that the US and Canada have more in common with eachother than with Mexico! Actually, now that I think about it, I've visited Jamaica, the Grand Cayman Islands, and I think a couple of other countries. But, that was on a cruise and we were only there for a couple of hours each.

As far as the math problem goes, there was nothing wrong with how it was typed. Was it the best way? NO. I write it the same way on the board as I typed it. It's meant to REALLY test whether or not the student gets the whole order of operations thing. It's very tricky and I wouldn't put it on an examination like that. I usually have about 2 or 3 students (out of 40) get it right. But, the rest of them never forget about that tricky case (which is the point!). Incidentally, a "complex" fraction is one that has a fraction either in the numerator or denominator or both (like (1/2)/5 if it were to be written as one fraction).

But, hey, you're still a genius in my books. Even if you don't know the difference between Americans and Canadians! (Kidding!)

And, BBD, I was waiting for you to chime in! You always paint the pertiest pictures...

Back to my Sansa Clip! (isn't THAT what this thread's about?) I've noticed a relapse of the Shufflebug. It's not as bad, and only repeats three or four songs in sequence, but still annoys the cr@p out of me! Still liking the player though. Shiny, any other big epiphanies?

Have a fabulous evening! And, someone PLEASE hug Step!

[Shiny_H320]

Nah, unless pressing the play/pause button to mute the radio is new with the update, but I don't remember having it before.
Oh the shuffle bug might still be around, but what I get is two or three songs by the same artist back to back(sometimes the same songs)

I know this has been talked about on the sansa clip forum, but the lowest volume setting is still too da*n loud. Using your player outside it might sound normal, but if you use your player at bedtime at say 1 bar it feels like 3-5(comparing it to the H320) and with the new update you can't adjust it with EQ custom anymore.

Oh BTW I believe there is a new firmware update. it came out 12/3/2007. I haven't had a chance to dl it yet so I don't know exactly what it does.

[musichound]

FWIW I just purchased a Clip and I and I am very impressed. I am not sure if any of you are aware, but did you know the Clip is known to be one of the best sounding DAPs you can purchase regardless of money and size?

To start using it all I did was connect it to my computer, dragged and dropped music files though Explorer. The good thing is that all my music tags was brought along with it.

This is one happy camper.

[caligula]

Originally Posted by musichound

the Clip is known to be one of the best sounding DAPs you can purchase regardless of money and size?

QFT

the clip is a very VERY special dap indeed, and for the cost, there is no excuse for anyone not to have one, because everyone owes it to themselves to get one of these players.

The soundstage and presentation beats my imod with portable vcap dock, and while I shouldnt really do this, the vcap dock and the clip using an amp (amping the headphone out of the clip) is LUSH, now if that sound quality could be transfered to a large capacity fully featured player then they would surely have the market cornered.