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[DeadMan]

Originally Posted by rasher

Like this?, or like this?

Whenever anyone asks a question that's already been answered just point them there. Actually why not sticky it in this forum?

[DeadMan]

Originally Posted by linus

Not sure, but from what I gather, the ticking comes from updating the remote LCD. I can't really say if Rockbox will be able to remove it, but if it is the LCD updates that causes it, we will surely be able to combat it by changing the update rate etc.


It is probably because we have a better power saving code than the stock Archos firmware. The Archos players don't have a hard disk spin bug, that's an iRiver issue.

The ticking is hardware related to a bad batch. The players HAVE to get sent back to be 'tweaked' to get rid of the ticking. A firmware update does not fix it.

[DeadMan]

Originally Posted by linus

General Settings->Display->LCD Settings->Upside down

(the iRiver version currently has a bug where the display is slightly garbled. I haven't had time to fix that yet)

I have a feeling he is referring to the remote LCD? It would be more usefull for the remote LCD but I guess it could be usefull for the main display too.

EDIT: Actually he mentioned the joystick so probably was referring to the main display. I should read more carefully.

[Bager]

Guys, I have bad expectations about battery runtime of Hxxx with RockBox.
All of you know, that the runtime is affected by the file type, and for OGG/Vorbis its less than for MP3. I think that iRiver's firmware is using very optimized decoders (and maybe at the prize of lower quality), and it's well known that Vorbis decoding needs more CPU power.
The problem is that i don't know whether the Rockbox team could manage to optimize the existing codecs to run at the CPU speed at which stock firmware runs. I don't think at all that you're not able to do it, but maybe it'll need a nearly _complete_ rewriting of codecs in 68K+EMAC asm, and the last is enormous work...
On the other hand, Rockbox has better hard disk spining/buffer management, which can raise the uptime...

Btw, did anyone have measured the difference in battery runtime of OGG/Vorbis and MP3 at about equal bitrate?
Also, does anyone knows at what speed the stock firmware is decoding Vorbis and MP3 (for particular bitrate)?

@Linus: I know that there are some battery tests (for measuring battery level). However, is there any data of "sumulation" of normal use ( spinning up disk, reading mp3(s) until buffer is filled, spin down, decoding them realtime (@ CPU speed enough to do it with optimized parts from preglow, but not @ 120MHz), till buffer is nearly empty, spinning again etc...)?

And, I don't want to forget to THANK to all Rockbox team for the EXCELLENT work

[bagder]

Originally Posted by Bager

Guys, I have bad expectations about battery runtime of Hxxx with RockBox.

... and that is purely based on your assumption that no one can optimize the codecs to the same level iRiver's codecs are?

I'm not so sure that is the situation now or will be by the time we present a version that plays sound (properly or semi-properly) on iRiver.

And if it turns out to be the case anyway, it is just a bigger reason for everyone to join in and help. Rockbox is not "them", it is "us". It becomes what we make it.

Also, there are many other aspects of battery saving than simply how much optimized the codecs are.

[Bager]

Originally Posted by bagder

... and that is purely based on your assumption that no one can optimize the codecs to the same level iRiver's codecs are?

I'm sorry u've understood me in that way:

Originally Posted by Bager

I don't think at all that you're not able to do it, but maybe it'll need a nearly _complete_ rewriting of codecs in 68K+EMAC asm, and the last is enormous work...

Originally Posted by bagder

And if it turns out to be the case anyway, it is just a bigger reason for everyone to join in and help. Rockbox is not "them", it is "us". It becomes what we make it.

Yes, i know it. And i've already started with some kind of little help (finding info about chips of the H3x0 version, unfortunately, it doesn't help with anything atm)

[cormie]

I've read all 406 posts since the birth of this thread, but one thing I'm sure hasn't been requested is this. Now if it has, sorry!

Would it be possible to have a DJ mode where you can listen to 2 songs at once, one would be channelled through the headphone jack and the other through the line out jack. So yo could have the line out jack connected to speakers and you could find a spot in the next song with headphones where you want to fade them in. you pause it at that spot and then when it comes to the time in the song playing on the speaker that you want to change songs, you press a button and it switches songs from headphone to line out and visca versa with volume increasing on one and decreasing on the other to get a good mix.

Just an idea!

I think there was also an idea of having a password to enable the unit to be turned on, if this was incorporated with a personal boot up splash screen to give personal details (phone number and name) so if you lose it, people wont be able to use it, unless they knew their tech stuff and may think without the PW it's useless increasing your chances of it being returned to you. Maybe:P

Speaking of passwords actually, how about having a screensaver type password so that if you enqueue a few songs at a party and leave the player alone, a screensaver will come on, or just now playing info. And to get back into the menu, or to get it off that screen, once you press a button, your prompted to enter a password and when you put the password in you have full access. This would be a good way to stop people messing with your H and wrecking your playlists!

Has the LCD screen auto turn off been implemented? I suggested it about a year ago on the official iriver forums and maybe they listened to me by doing it with the H3XX, or maybe they thought it up themselves. It could be another good way to save on power.

Also, I've heard a few complaints regarding this; When I have my H plugged into the wall socket, and i have it connected to speakers which are on, there is a terrible sound until I turn the player on and it boots up. This has stopped me from using the sleep timer when I go to bed because I just wake up with a massive noise, so I just leave it play the whole night through. I know it's a hardware fault, but maybe something could be done.

Once again,
Thanks allot for this, everyone!

[thenobody]

I think the password idea and user details coming up if correct password not entered is a great idea and the screensaver password is another great idea.

How would the password entry be implemented? Id recommend a particular sequence of joystick movements. much better than text entry (which i dont know how would be used).

[cormie]

Originally Posted by thenobody

I think the password idea and user details coming up if correct password not entered is a great idea and the screensaver password is another great idea.

How would the password entry be implemented? Id recommend a particular sequence of joystick movements. much better than text entry (which i dont know how would be used).

Well it could be done with text this way

AAAAA

when you press down you get b, c, d, e and so on, when you push joystick in it goes to next one:

DAAAA

and so on..
DRAAA
DRAAA
DRAIA
DRAIN

And I think it would be better to have the personal info splash screen before you enter the password, in the time it loads up, or even on the password screen, so if somebody is stuck, then they can see the personal info:
=================
Please Enter Password
AAAAA

If you have found this,
please return to:
cormie (555-1234567)
=================

[linus]

What would you do if you forget the password?

[cormie]

Originally Posted by linus

What would you do if you forget the password?

crack it over your head and blame you!

EDIT: ok on a serious note, maybe there would be something you could do when you hook it up to the pc? But would people generally forget the password? Anyway, I don't think there would be a need to lock it if you enter it wrong 3 times or anything. You can choose the security level yourself, how easily you want to remember if you forget. Have a one letter password or a 10 letter password.

This would be set and changed in the settings menu: Bootup password/Idle Password (for screensaver)

I think it would actually be better to have it so you have

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

and you can put in as many letters as you want, so it could be

D R A I N _ _ _ _

and just press play when you have it put in

or it could be

Y O _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

or

M Y R I V E R H X X

this would mean that somebody who finds it would have to go through soooo many more combinations then if they knew it was 5 letters etc.

If you get me?

[thenobody]

Regarding the forgetting password. Can there be a way like with a mobile phone that before you put the firmware file on the player it is generated by a program and outputs a code for you to enter if you forget your password and this feature could be added at the password screen. Like the phones PUK code.

I see your point about the text password but i think it would just be far too time consuming. Maybe a choice of text of joystick movements.

I would much prefer my password to be something like Up, Up, Left, Right, Down, Up, Left and click to confirm.

[DemonicOmelette]

Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A-B-A-SELECT-START.

It's burned into my brain, and I can't remember why.

[Prosperus]

Originally Posted by DemonicOmelette

Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A-B-A-SELECT-START.

It's burned into my brain, and I can't remember why.

CONTRA!!! I wish I were playing that right now...

As for the password thing, would it be possible to build in a button sequence or something in case you do forget your password? Or some kind of script that would load with a question when connected w/ the computer?

Come to think of it, this all sounds very complicated. I've added my two cents. I'll leave the magic to the programmers.

[cormie]

Originally Posted by Prosperus

CONTRA!!! I wish I were playing that right now...

As for the password thing, would it be possible to build in a button sequence or something in case you do forget your password? Or some kind of script that would load with a question when connected w/ the computer?

Come to think of it, this all sounds very complicated. I've added my two cents. I'll leave the magic to the programmers.

yeah, like your mothers maiden name or something! haha. This is getting very complicated indeed. Just put your password in a text file, or on your phone or something, or have it the same as your phone pin code.

well the text is a combination of joystick presses

up up push=y
down down down push=c

that would simple enough??

[thenobody]

yeah and if you want a LMNOP youll be hitting up or down for ages.

Thats why the game console movement combinations would be far better.

[DemonicOmelette]

Contra! That's it! Oh man, bring on Rock-Boy (or Game-Box or whatever).

But I agree, game-consol type passwords would be much easier.

But maybe cuz I'm from the Video-Game Generation.

IDDQD! IDKFA!

Ahhhh...

[cormie]

Maybe actually, it would be allot easier to forget though, no? And allot easier for someone to crack the code too maybe? just keep messing with the joystick and they are bound to get it. Maybe an option to choose between the two would be best

[TCK]

Originally Posted by DemonicOmelette

Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A-B-A-SELECT-START.

It's burned into my brain, and I can't remember why.

I've got the spacebeam, yeah!

[belgarath_the_sorceror]

i was on the rockbox website, because I heard you could get a plugin that enables playlists created on rockbox to play on iriver firmware, but all I could find was the source code for it. Has anyone managed to install the plugin?

[linus]

Originally Posted by cormie

crack it over your head and blame you!

EDIT: ok on a serious note, maybe there would be something you could do when you hook it up to the pc? But would people generally forget the password?

My point is that you will need to have some kind of backdoor if you forget the password, and this backdoor can be used by the thief as well.

But yes, the PUK code scheme would work pretty well.

[muesli]

My point is that you will need to have some kind of backdoor if you forget the password, and this backdoor can be used by the thief as well

yes, thats absolutely true...but better than nothing