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Old February 13th, 2007, 06:38 PM
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Reverse Boot?
Just got another H10 (6GB, "system files missing" which I can fix for $30 on eBay). I was wondering if RockBox is at the stage where it can boot to the iRiver firmware by default, and into RockBox only when a button is held.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 06:52 PM
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That's not a 'stage' that the official version will ever be at.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 06:54 PM
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I suppose you could make a patch for it though, just a few code changes... But, honestly, why would you want this?
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Old February 13th, 2007, 10:28 PM
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If you switch what you are asking, then yes. It will boot into the OF with a button being held, and boot into RB normally.
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Old February 14th, 2007, 06:33 AM
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He wants it to do the opposite by default - Not that I see much difference personally .

I'm fairly sure it wouldn't take a coding genius to switch the two, but then, I am not fully sure myself .
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Old February 14th, 2007, 07:28 AM
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The problem is, as far as I know that the OF doesn't really shut down so the rockbox Bootloader doesn't even execute after shutting down OF. Just when it shut's down properly after some hours you can boot to RB without resetting the player manually.
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Old February 14th, 2007, 08:48 AM
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Being the good samaritan I am :P I have compiled a bootloader that does this task for you. You must hold down the left (Cancel) button in order to boot into rockbox, otherwise you get the OF, aslong as Dual Booting is correctly configured.

Tested it, worked fine for me, enjoy.

http://www.4shared.com/file/10611115/a66680da/H10.html
Last edited by Jonno12345 : February 15th, 2007 at 03:44 PM.
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Old February 14th, 2007, 08:27 PM
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Thanks mate!
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Old February 15th, 2007, 03:37 PM
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Wow, great work, thanks!
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Old February 15th, 2007, 03:42 PM
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Not a problem .
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Old February 15th, 2007, 03:49 PM
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But the problem about OF not shuttung down properly isn't fixed by that, right? The bootloader just changed firmware priority.
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Old February 15th, 2007, 04:11 PM
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It did, there's nothing that can be done about firmware shutting down short of finding a way to modify the OF. It's not hard to hit the reset button on the 20gb or pull out and replace the battery though.
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Old February 15th, 2007, 04:22 PM
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I'll try this out as soon as my H10 comes in the mail. So basically when you say it won't shut down, you mean when you power down from the OF, it will go into 'sleep' like it normally would with OF (not dual booted), no more battery drain then the normal OF. You won't be able to switch into RockBox unless you reset the plater? Great, that's no big deal, it's like the OF plus RB when you need it.
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Old February 15th, 2007, 04:45 PM
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Exactly. It will be exactly like running the OF, with a small stage inbetween turning on and accessing the firmware... This stage will just be some writing on the screen about the Rockbox bootloader, then it will proceed to load the OF. The OF by default will go into a 'sleep' mode when powered off, rather than turning off completely. This means, when you power it on again, it will load back to the OF, in the state it was when you switched it off. In order to access Rockbox, you need to completely power off the H10, by removing and replacing the battery. This starts the boot process off again, and will allow you to access the Rockbox bootloader. Simply hold the Left (Cancel) button then, and it will go into Rockbox instead.

When powering off in Rockbox, it totally powers off, no sleep mode, so if you power off in Rockbox and wish to return to Rockbox again, you need to hold down the button again whilst turning on.

Hope that makes things clearer.


When you do receive your H10, make sure you read the wiki or guide on this forum on how to set up Dual Booting. The process will be exactly the same, except use my bootloader rather than the one you get told to use, otherwise it will boot Rockbox by default and OF on keypress.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 06:04 AM
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The modiffied bootloader is not available anymore in the link kindly posted by Jonno12345. Can anyone repost it?
many many thanks
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 04:49 AM
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I also want the modified bootloader. Can someone upload it again??
Thanks
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 05:25 AM
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I can remake it in a few hours if you wish. Could you both post whether you have UMS or MTP players please? 5/6GB or 20GB?
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 06:44 AM
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If it wouldn't be a problem , maybe you could make me a 6GB MTP reverse bootloader?
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 11:55 AM
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Wouldn't it be easy enough to rename the rockbox mi4 file to OF and the OF one back to H10_20GC to get the desired affect?

Haven't tried it but I thought I'd ask.

Frank
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 12:35 PM
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No. It doesn't work. I've tried it a few times. Well I did it few weeks ago so it may be possible now, but I doubt it..
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 03:11 PM
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5/6GB MTP realy works, but I somehow managed to ruin my player so I had to format it.. But I think it doesn't have to do anything with the boot loader. So everything seems fine Thnx
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 03:12 PM
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Eep, you sure it wasn't the bootloader? I don't want to distribute something which can cause players to require a format...
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Old May 4th, 2007, 07:48 AM
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I think it was my fault, because I tried booting on OF and RockBox a few times before and it worked fine I think my fast reseting made this. I sometimes get a command from my brain to turn it into UMS mode while it's still loading the OF so i just take out the battery I know it's bad, but I'm not afraid of bricking it, because here in Lithuania , if you still have a guarantee and something happens to your player , they usually let you choose another one or take the same one but new , because they're too lazy to fix it
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Old May 4th, 2007, 09:34 AM
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Ah okay :P... Well, in that case they should all work, anyone with a 20GB device would still need to test for me though. Otherwise, enjoy
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Old May 10th, 2007, 04:56 PM
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Tried it on my H10 20Gbs
Works like a charm

thank u so much
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Old May 18th, 2007, 09:30 AM