DRM embedded in Intel Processors!! Nooo...

[reddshack]

Looks like Intel gave into the pressures of the Industry. Now instead of making DRM be an issue within your OS or hardrive, it's hard coded into their new Processors.

Read: http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915

What does this mean? Stick with AMD processors or just go with Apple.

[Astec]

Well there goes 99% of their sales. Im an AMD man here, my laptops P4 but I dont like it at all.

[kin242]

I swear they are going to run into serious problems with this. Hardware lasts a few years nowadays. You cannot tie software to hardware in restrictive ways like that- it is just not practical...

[reddshack]

I'd say that this is going to be the death of Intel as far as processors go. Looks like they'll have to come up with a new industry to be a part of.

[Astec]

The demise of the big boys always happens its just a matter of when, intel have lost the market, looking at Mhz all the time when AMD have been looking at other ways to make chips faster. They took too long to get in the game again and are still the underdog now, this just seals their fate, if its introduced as standard then there is no hope, the underground members of the world will find a way around it and crack the problem.

[FlameGrilled]

For ferks sake...

Stop being a ferking bunch of whining doomsayers...!!!

If it happens, it happens - it aint the ferking end of the world.

You think it has privacy/control issues..???

Wake up, and smell the linger smell of the not freshly made coffee, as anyone who uses technology is giving some scope for being tracked or their precense and use of the technology to be monitored and possibly used in a manner you may not be aware of or even approve of.

I wonder... if this rumour had been about some kind of actual discrete reporting device function, and not DRM integration, would you lot be so much the doomsayers..??

I think not.

Wake up - in a wired world, you either accept that some things come to light that aint in line with your personal view of 'freedom', or ferking unwire yourself.

If such a DRM integration happens, it happens.. and there is ferk all you can do about it

After all, beyond your minor and insignificant existence as domestic users (talking in context of those who buy Intel-based products for their domestic computeres), even if the whole ferking domestic market turned it's back on Intel, you wouldn't force them to change in fear of bankruptcy. Their industrial and commericial markets are quite sufficiently healthy to ensure Intel can survive a public backlash.

After all, when was the last time a major component manufacturer/brand caved in to the demands and irrational fears of the end user..??

Not in my lifetime, and i doubt it'll happen (such a turnaround) in many more.

In fact, i find the whole 'If DRM is integrated, we are doomed' attitude to be as irrational and unfounded as some of the weak irrational arguments in the UK against formal national ID systems.

As i believe in, when it comes to such things, if you aint got nothing to hide (or if there is a black mark on you and it's not tangible to get you hung for unspeakable crime against the population and/or society) then you aint got nothing to fear from such methods like DRM or a formal compulsory ID system or even.. reporting-capable devices.

Even then, assuming such stuff appears into general use - it's never impregnable, it's never 100% hack-proof, and like all hardware that uses external code to provide it's OS, there's always a way of writing out the control aspect - after all, if you don't implement (by rewriting a certain bit of code, or address it's use differently) support for the architecture feature, it simply aint gonna affect your usage.

When in doubt, fall back on the lowest common denominator - in this case, the chip will always have to have some functionality without the DRM structure integration being used 'compulsory', to allow some degree of continued use should the chip develop a fault or the external code be flawed, so you simply include a way to 'bypass' in the external OS (aka the external code) and apps and intermediate API's.

You gotta open yer eyes, yer mind, and think rationally before you become the prophet of doom - and you might see the reality that is otherwise obscured by knee-jerk irrational paranoia invoked by such rumours as this topic.

[Astec]

FG your becoming more and more negative, non of us where negative merely commenting on that this will give rise to intels demise if they make it happen. I dont care about intel as I love the AMD revolution. All my systems that I build or advise are based around an amd core. I myself have nothing to hide, but to be forced to comply at every corner is not on. How many times have you done things that where not legal?

[AFireInside]

So far the posts I have seen come from you FlameGrilled havn't been nice but I don't want to start a flame-war as they are useless and immature..

But on the Intel side of things.. This doesn't really affect me as I would never purchase an Intel chip anyway.. I am an AMD guy all the way and have been building my own rigs with AMD chips since my first build.. Obviously Intel makes great processors (Pentium 4, Pentium Extreme Edition, Dothan core Pentium-M) but I stick to AMD for reasons only known to me.. Bye, Bye Intel!!

[FlameGrilled]

ASTEC :-

Negativity - That's only a matter of opinion, and since i don't ever bow to the the opinions of others (i simply take stock of comments made about me from people i know who understand the person inside me and my rationale behind my thinking), i can't agree with that observation of me becoming more and more negative.

As for whatever outcome this rumoured DRM-implementation has on the domestic market for processors or the opinions of the general public - who gives a ferk..??

Not me, as i source components to do the job at hand, and i pretty much aint guilty of taking the easy way out or being brand loyal. The fact i picked an AMD64 for one major project was totally based on a technical evaluation - with total disregard to the fact that commericial code was more likely to follow the P4 with EMT extensions path or the IA64 than the AMD64 (in industry and commericial mass implementation anyway). The AMD64 x64 architecture won on it's own merits, for my purposes, and that's all it had to do to win

As far as being forced to comply at every corner goes...

You are already under 'forced to comply' restrictions and constraints in life, even if you don't care to recognise them. Sure you may feel the need to consider industry-led examples to be unethical or immoral, but then again.. it's also prominent that you ultimately had caved in to at least one society-led moral or ethical contraint that's not governed by law and hence the industry led unmoderated ones are no different.

And as i have explained - there is always a way around the problem, as there always has to be some kinda bypass capable implementation potential when it comes to supporting external code such as in OS's. So unless a manufacturer is literally trying to knowing set themselves up for a massive lawsuit and industry rejection (if someone was so stupid as to make data unrecoverable in the event of a massive DRM failure or flaw), and i hardly think Intel have decided to put their necks on the block in that manner, the problem of DRM integration is neligable.. if you look at the big picture.

DRM is a tool, and it's only effective when you use it...., if you don't use it you aint gonna be restricted by it.

As for my indiscretions - and they are 'indiscretions' as whilst they may not be 'legal' acts in the nations they occurred in, they were 'sanctioned' by the powers that be in those countries, the 'indiscretions' are very numourous.. but spread over a long period of time and i'm not about to reveal numbers of the nature of them am i..??

[FlameGrilled]

AFIRE...

Well, you can hardly judge me and my approach based on an overview of less than 1% of 1% of my overall writeups and posts to date (and i lost count about ten years ago back in my BBS days of the scale and variety of stuff i write about).

But think what you will, it's totally irrelevent.. about as likely to invoke a change of approach or be paranoid-inducing as the last death-threat i received.

Like you say, no flamewar or other stupid stuff - just a response to your comments and ending there.

[Lightloch]

FX-55 tops all of Intel's anyway (or did very recently)... no change for me, as I've also always been an AMD man, though I've given both a fair chance in builds, etc.

A hopeful (at least for a while) quote from the article:

...the DRM technology would not be able to be applied retrospectively to media or files that did not interoperate with the new technology.

[ghostface_killah24]

Errr, this is bad. That's it, AMD and IBM are my future choice. I always had seen this comming, Intel will surely fall. I always chose Intel when I had a choice but now, they turned over. Errr, I hate this, this could be the end of use of open source audio codecs if they reach further. You know, they extinguish the ripping of CDs, then they go with exclusive codecs. But I am just paranoid, but it could happen. AMD is my choice, unless they do the same. I hope not.

[coreman]

Intel still controls >80% of the processor market, including servers...they aren't going anywhere...AMD has done a fine job of making processors but check their balance sheet, it isn't nearly as strong as Intel.

There are many reasons why companies stick with Intel, despite the higher prices, and that is they have an excellent track record over many years.

[alienshards]

that's it, i'm going AMD.

[qupada]

Originally Posted by alienshards

that's it, i'm going AMD.

Touché, the last intel chip i owned was a pentium-200mmx. AMD Athlon all the way. My 2.4GHz Athlon64 keeps pace with the 3.6GHz Prescott P4 in raw cpu power, and completely obliterates it in memory and other tests that run into bottlenecks on the P4 (gotta love the single chip nforce boards and on-die ram controller).

AMD has long been a driving force behind "open" systems, I don't see them and this DRM crap being friends any time soon.