Consequences of converting T30 to UMS

[Shmezbot]

Hello iriver enthusiasts,

I recently purchased a T30 and was astonished to discover that the ONLY OS it can be used on is Windows XP. I am running Windows 2000 and have no intention of switching to XP anytime soon, so most likely I will be forced to return it and perhaps hunt for a UMS version on ebay.

I understand from browsing the threads here that there are 'unofficial' firmware upgrades that would convert my T30 to a UMS device. I also understand that doing this would void my warranty with iriver, and could possibly limit the line-in recording bitrate of the T30 to 96Kps, something I can't accept since my main reason for purchasing the T30 is for making high quality MP3 recordings (320Kps) through the line-in.

Are there any official firmware releases that safely convert the T30 to UMS, perhaps on the iriver international site? Do they limit the recording bitrate on the T30? Is it even possible to connect an MTP T30 to a win2K machine in order to perform the conversion? If not, I will be forced to return what seemed like the perfect recorder for my needs, along with thousands of other Win2K users.

Thank you for your assistance.

Andrew Smith

[myprecious]

Had you used the search option, you would have found out that it's possbile to download mtp drivers for windows 2000. This is the link - click the green arrow pointing down. http://www.softwarepatch.pl/plik/496...20___T30___U10

[Shmezbot]

myprecious,

I am quite familiar with the search option. I have seen this link and was reluctant to use it. I can't read Polish, and there's really no telling what it's going to do to the T30 or my computer...

Since you are indicating this is merely a device driver, not a firmware update with potentially undesirable effects, I will try it.....

OK, I ran MTP9x-2k.exe, rebooted, plugged in T30, new hardware wizard opens - hunted around a bit, nothing new here - checked in My Computer, no new removeable disk - opened Windows Media player 9, no sign of T30...

It doesn't seem to do anything.

[Keyper7]

Can you see it in device Manager?

Another way would be to just wait, it appears that iRiver has *FINALLY* decided to support switching from UMS to MTP and vice versa at will so you may want to do this.
It will effectively turn your player to UMS (like the unofficial firmware did) but this time it will be official and thus, no warranty void.

As for the line-in recording, this is the first time I heard of it, where did you see it?

CheerS!

[Shmezbot]

Yes, I can see it in the device manager under "Other Devices" but of course it has a little exclaimation point beside it, because I don't have a driver.

I am prepared to wait max. 30 days, which is how long I have to return it.

I would go ahead and do the unofficial conversion, if I could be sure that the line-in recording bitrate will not be crippled to 96Kps.

Does anyone know if this actually happens?

The T30 definitely does line-in recording, through a 1/4" jack, and at an excellent bitrate. Now if I could only transfer the
recordings to my computer...

[KHRoN]

"unofficial conversion" will make your T30 to be true "T30 UMS"... like you bought it somwhere in Asia

it will even only accept UMS updates - you can update it with any new UMS firmware for T30 and never with MTP firmware again, no further "unofficial" firmware needed

genuine UMS T series players (those from Asia) does not have any "line-in limitations", those are iFP series players which have (and it was hardware, not software/firmware limit)... so you will still be able to record with 320kbps quality...


T series has nothing with iFP series... they must be considered separately!


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and BTW even with MTP firmware you STILL can transfer them to computer!

plug player to comp with winXP, *close* this pop-up autorun window (do not select "synchronize"), go to "My Computer" where you find "iriver T30" icon, go there, go to "MEDIA" folder, go to "RECORDINGS" and voila...
... there are your recordings saved as MP3 files -> select them all and drag on Desktop (or anywhere)

[ad2435]

windows 2000 was released 7 years ago. this was probably before mp3 players were readily available or even invented. just upgrade your computer man. if you want more functionality from your player, spend more than $100 on a t30.

[Shmezbot]

Thanks for the info, KHRoN. If I decide to convert it... I hope you are right!

ad2435 - You make some valid points. What you do not know is that I am a) cheap and b) lazy. My computer is running just fine right now. Who knows what will happen if I put XP on?

[nougat]

HI
I agree with Shmezbot. my pc is 98 se. it and all the peripherals work well at the mo. if i upgrade to xp who knows?!!! I have so many things that it is likely that something won't work. and it is important to me to have everything up and running. also not all of us want to keep upgrading all their stuff when what we have is great. the driver patch or whatever that was on the microsoft site did nothing - just like it seems the polish one - so i won't bother with it. and no way am i messing about with my brand new player!! there have been many instances (see the posts) when it goes wrong when you try to go to ums.
I have no interest in downloading www music. so WHY don't iriver get out a little driver so the t 30 can be used with other os/wmp ??? all i want is to put my cds on the player and i have to keep using my hubby's notebook!!!

[nougat]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsmed...s/default.aspx

another forumite (simont20) suggested this. it did not work for me - but have a look i am not very pc-savvy and may have done it wrong.

n

[Shmezbot]

OK, I have decided. I'm returning the T30.

iriver must be punished, at least in a small way, for imposing those incredibly stupid limitations on their player. Why the hell does asia get the better, normal, UMS version anyway? Microsoft probably forced iriver to sign some satanic agreement regarding the US and european markets...

I considered converting it to UMS using the home-brew firmware upgrade at http://www.mtp-ums.net/, but considering this player's vulnerability to becoming 'bricked', and the fact that changing to UMS firmware voids my warranty, it's just not worth the 320 kbps line-in recording capability, the one unique feature on this product.

Besides, if I do that, iriver still gets paid, and like I said, they must be punished.

Best wishes iriver people!

[nougat]

i don't think its iriver's fault. i've been reading through some posts and it has something to do with the media transfer protocol to do with downloading and whatnot in europe from the internet. sorry can't explain better!
n

[SimonT20]

Originally Posted by Shmezbot

...and could possibly limit the line-in recording bitrate of the T30 to 96Kps, something I can't accept since my main reason for purchasing the T30 is for making high quality MP3 recordings (320Kps) through the line-in.

I had the same issues before i upgraded to UMS.
I have a T20, (it has the same chipset and the same functions as T30, just in another package) and after converting, it still encoded 320kbps.
So nothing changed, exept that you cant play rental-DRM wma music.

[VeeJayRecords]

I finally got my 1 gig T30 (as it's been discontinued and was hard to locate), and while searching around for the intstructions to use the latest Iriver IMS firmware updater with Windows 2000, I just had to bump this thread!

Originally Posted by ad2435

windows 2000 was released 7 years ago. this was probably before mp3 players were readily available or even invented. just upgrade your computer man. if you want more functionality from your player, spend more than $100 on a t30.

Ad -

Windows 2000 and especially Windows 2000 Pro were released for the business community and are FAR superior OS with much less holes than XP. With its heavy graphic interface and bloated structure, XP has always been a pain to configure, and even worse when trying to close open ports along with constant security problems. MS Vista is coming out in the near future, and unless that's a major improvement on XP or a Pro version is released, and they remove the Disneyland graphics, I'll stick with Windows 2000 Pro - which will fly on 1-2 gig ram (let alone 512 mg). The only problem may be that MS will cease support and release of updates for it.

Originally Posted by Shmezbot

OK, I have decided. I'm returning the T30.

iriver must be punished, at least in a small way, for imposing those incredibly stupid limitations on their player.

I considered converting it to UMS using the home-brew firmware upgrade at http://www.mtp-ums.net/, but considering this player's vulnerability to becoming 'bricked', and the fact that changing to UMS firmware voids my warranty, it's just not worth the 320 kbps line-in recording capability, the one unique feature on this product.

Shmezbot -
Do you think you were a bit hasty? Less than a month after your post, Iriver came out with a firmware upgrade for UMS.

[Voice of Reason]

Must say from reading the number of posts about non-ums only T series flash drives, I'm glad (yet again) that I live in Australia.

[Cluel3ss01]

That's old news--iriver put up a MTP-->UMS converter a while ago.