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Old January 2nd, 2004, 03:01 PM
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A few quick questions
Hey everyone! I'm new here and I'm expecting to get my new iHP-120 on Monday if the UPS tracking number isn't lying to me. But in the meantime I just have a few quick questions about the iHP.

1) Is it true that the iHP can't play DRM WMA files? If so I should have gotten the Karma. j/k Yes, I have read the message on the iRiver Int'l and am skeptical how the results of some of the "shortcuts" have turned out.

I'm just curious because I plan to use services like at buymusic.com and walmart.com.

2) What in the devil is optical in/out? I'm kind of new to the MP3 player world.

And if I have anymore questions, I think I know who I'll ask. Thanks in advance!
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Old January 2nd, 2004, 03:06 PM
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1) im almost positive that NO mp3 players can play DRM WMA files. they only can be played on the computer that the CD was ripped from.

simple solution! burn the DRM WMA files to a audio CD, and then used you favorite CD extractor/ripper to rip the audio tracks back off. I personally use EAC+lame 1.91 to rip all my CDs.

2) optical in and out is exactly what it sounds like its optical inputs and outputs for you iriver.

this feature is one of the main reasons that i bought my iriver.

the standard jacks that are on all the other mp3 players are analog which means that the digtal media (your music files) have been converted to analog output via the ihp-120s onboard DAC.

traditionally these portable DACs are of lower quality than you will find on a any hi-fi system (home theater reciever or stereo alike). therefore by using the optical outputs you transmit all the music data digitally and allow another source to convert it to analog.
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Old January 3rd, 2004, 04:36 AM
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1) im almost positive that NO mp3 players can play DRM WMA files. they only can be played on the computer that the CD was ripped from.
There are quite a few players that support DRM WMAs (The Gateway DMP-X20 being one example off the top of my head)

It is likely that iRiver will soon add DRM WMA support to the firmware though.

The only question is.... how soon is "soon"

- Odie
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Old January 3rd, 2004, 07:26 AM
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It is likely that iRiver will soon add DRM WMA support to the firmware though.

The only question is.... how soon is "soon"

- Odie
This is the 70,000 Yen question!! (maybe new -140 owners can answer)
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Old January 3rd, 2004, 02:15 PM
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ooos how about HD mp3 players, can any of them do DRM.

i meant HD mp3 players sorry for the confusion.
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Old January 3rd, 2004, 02:23 PM
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ooos how about HD mp3 players, can any of them do DRM.
Yup, the Gateway DMP-X20 that I mentioned :

http://www.austinv.com/galleries/GW/index1.html
http://www.austinv.com/reviews/GatewayReview.html

I'm sure it's not the only one either.

According to this site, the Dell Jukebox also supports DRM WMAs:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/kiwidire...p3-player.html

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Old January 3rd, 2004, 02:31 PM
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whoa! i didn't even know that existed!

that looks pretty sweet!
so whats so good about it other than DRM support.

not that i have any DRM files

looks like its about the size of the ZEN?
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Old January 6th, 2004, 03:05 PM
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Actually the Zen's and other Creative JB's have DRM support as well as the Karma (i think).

Maybe I should revise that second question:
What's the difference between analog and optical output/input?
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Old January 6th, 2004, 04:50 PM
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duhh i didn't i explain it?

optical is mearly digital thus yielding higher quality when used in conjunction with a high quality DAC (digital to analog converter).

analog out is the out produced using the irivers own DAC, thus if you hook up your iriver via analog you are losing some quality but its really negligible...i think i dunno.

i just like having the idea that i can make my music lossless as possible...now if only i had FLAC support

but there is only a slight difference in my ears between lossless and 256 vbr so i think i'll be ok, in normal use i would not even hear a difference so i guess MP3 is the more economical way to go....
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Old January 6th, 2004, 05:12 PM
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Oh, OK. I guess you did answer that. Thanks!
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