H140 using 80gb 3.5" drive

[the_winch]

Soldered the connector from an old compact flash card to an ide lead and connected to a 80gb 3.5" drive.
Good news for anyone thinking about getting hold of a larger 1.8" drive and installing it as it should work.







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[eggman90]

lmfao very nice but ur gonna have trouble carrying that thing around lol. but its pretty cool. connect some speakers to taht and u got a mini stereo right there.

[Astec]

This is good news for modders all over here. How did you get the drive to be recognised. And is it over 32GB in size, or did you partition it?

[DreamTactix291]

It looks like it's one partition. It says 74151MB free.

Thank for answering the question everyone has been wondering about

[NPswimdude500]

hm...but theres still the 9999 file limit

[DreamTactix291]

Yeah, most likely since that is firmware based. We'd have to have a firmware fix for that coughRockboxcough.

[Astec]

Well for the latest group of users aka H300 users and PMP owners the 9999 file limit is no problem as we would more likely use it for the video files. The limit I hope is removed for sake of the h100 owners of the world.

[Tux]

THANKYOU!

I was thinking of doing something similar to test if it could handle a larger drive.
Now that you've confirmed it, I am gonna replace my H140's drive with the 60Gb one when I fill it up.

Cheers

[Haku]

Sweet! now when are we going to be able to buy a 1.8" 60gb drive? flippin' Apple hogging the first shipments for their bars of soap...

I'd either sell the 1.8" 40gb to help ease the cost of the 60gb, or put it in a USB enclosure as a portable HD.

[Astec]

Hmmmm selling 40Gb drives great idea, I suppose there would be a market for 40Gb drives to be sold on here to the users of 20Gb drives looking for a fix of more space. As for their drives it may be a bit harder to shift them. I think I will be looking into the 80Gb drive for my player. I would love a 120Gb drive so I would match my players capacity with that of my computer.

[Odie]

Originally Posted by Astec123

I suppose there would be a market for 40Gb drives to be sold on here to the users of 20Gb drives looking for a fix of more space.

Unfortunately for them, the 40gb drives probably wouldn't fit in the iHP-120 casing, iHP-120 user's best bet would probably be the new 30Gb Toshiba drives.

- Odie

[Astec]

Unfortunately for them, the 40gb drives probably wouldn't fit in the iHP-120 casing, iHP-120 user's best bet would probably be the new 30Gb Toshiba drives.

I was talking in general. Just had a spark of an idea. Will do some research and report back.

[NPswimdude500]

Originally Posted by Odie

Unfortunately for them, the 40gb drives probably wouldn't fit in the iHP-120 casing, iHP-120 user's best bet would probably be the new 30Gb Toshiba drives.

- Odie

you just wait until 60 gig drives are single platter....the 40 gig drives are now..

[Haku]

With the 9999 file limit I thought of a way round it, sort of, two harddrives in a custom build/modified case with a switch so you can select which you want to use, only using the switch when it's powered off of course.
Sure it'll be a fat player but not too bad if you used 2x 1.8" 60gb drives, up to 120gb of music in up to 20000 tracks

I've been thinking a lot about cases recently, not for my H140 but for a new PC, I recently discovered http://www.mini-itx.com which has some very cool homebrew computer, uh cases
What with building a projector I'm going to need a PC to run it, a modest 2.8ghz system but using the case of the PC I'm now using to type this - so I'll need a replacement for my email/usenet/web stuff and a miniature fanless 600mhz PC seems ideal (this one I'm using is only 900mhz). I've got an old Amiga CD32 which has no PSU and don't know if it works, it's an ideal size for a mini-PC with HD and DVD-Rom.

[Tang]

Hello, thanks The Winch for this announcement! Very helpful for those like me that have good hope to upgrade the HD with a bigger 1.8'' (40Gig for my iHP120)...

[muesli]

very kewl to know indeed! hope, the_winch will give us some more facts :razz:

[Tang]

Originally Posted by muesli

very kewl to know indeed! hope, the_winch will give us some more facts :razz:

Hi muesli i gave you the french link for the single platter 40Gig HD announced by toshiba

[the_winch]

I think the big problem will be getting hold of new drives. I think they are oem only so will be difficult to find. The easiest way to get one might be from another device. I guess for that reason you will have no trouble selling the old drive.

The drive is just a normal 80gb 3.5" Maxtor drive with one big fat32 partition formatted with win98. Unfortunatly the players format option won't format the drive

[muesli]

I think they are oem only so will be difficult to find. The easiest way to get one might be from another device

yeah, totally agree. its even impossible to get the 30gb drives. we should check out toshibas 30gb customers...

[Haku]

Originally Posted by the_winch

I think the big problem will be getting hold of new drives. I think they are oem only so will be difficult to find. The easiest way to get one might be from another device. I guess for that reason you will have no trouble selling the old drive.

I don't fancy buying a 60gb iPod just for the drive and then selling it as a 40gb iPod

Really hope there's an easier way of getting a 60gb 1.8".

[Shadow Skill]

Probably not Haku drives like that are usally horded by companies you would have to ask the manufacturer directly most likely.

[stripwax]

Originally Posted by Shadow Skill

Probably not Haku drives like that are usally horded by companies you would have to ask the manufacturer directly most likely.

Toshiba offer for direct sale (through their website!) the 20GB and 40GB drives, but not the 30GB or 60GB drives, and they are not even advertising their single-platter 40GB/ dual-platter 80GB drives.. so as a previous post suggested, don't even consider trying to source these parts unless you're looking to buy > 5,000 of them...

[sabaisabai]

Originally Posted by Tang

Hi muesli i gave you the french link for the single platter 40Gig HD announced by toshiba

It'll be ages till we can get hold of that one! I don't think it's in production yet, and once it is we can expect Apple & Co to gobble up the supplies for a long while. Apple must surely have shares in Toshiba's 1.8" drive division by now.

[Tang]

Originally Posted by stripwax

Toshiba offer for direct sale (through their website!) the 20GB and 40GB drives, but not the 30GB or 60GB drives, and they are not even advertising their single-platter 40GB/ dual-platter 80GB drives.. so as a previous post suggested, don't even consider trying to source these parts unless you're looking to buy > 5,000 of them...

Hum okay i can wait a moment anyway... The HD (and battery) upgrade option depend on the Rockbox firmware availability for me...

[ceebmoj]

Hi,

I started doing this because I was not happy with the plastic end caps on my player however I decided that I would make the new bits bigger. I have been milling new end caps and side strips for my player from aircraft grade alloy so that I will be able to fit the duel platter drives in to my 120 it is going slowly however I have just about done the end that has all the headphone sockets in.

blake

[crypt@]

'Will be most interested to see a happy snap of those "end caps", ceebmoj!

A while ago there was a company, that supplied full body (casing) replacement kit to Palm III and variants grinded from aircraft alloy as a sideline. They were pretty cool but the pricings were quite prohibiting, about the same as the PDA themselves!

[crypt@]

the_winch,

- Did you pre-formatted the 80GB drive first (i.e. before plugging it into the 140) or did you connect (i.e. PC USB cabled) to your 140 then formatted from there?

- Have you tested tracks which are stored beyond 40GB?

In theory if the average track size exceeds 4MB then @9999 tracks, the total collection will be larger than the formatted 140's OEM disk (~ 37.252GB). It will be nice to actually confirm if those tracks beyond 38GB can be played.

There is always the uncertainty that iRIVER may have "cap"'ed the size to 40GB, even though the player recognizes the 140's free space to be 74151MB. The firmware is likely only reading the FAT32 partition/file allocation table and not from a scan of all un-allocated sectors.

[the_winch]

Originally Posted by crypt@

- Did you pre-formatted the 80GB drive first (i.e. before plugging it into the 140) or did you connect (i.e. PC USB cabled) to your 140 then formatted from there?

I partitioned it and formated it connected to a pc with win98. Win2k and xp won't format drives that big. Unfortunatly the players format won't work, It tries then gives an error

Originally Posted by crypt@

- Have you tested tracks which are stored beyond 40GB?

Not yet but I may try sometime.

[muesli]

Originally Posted by crypt@
- Have you tested tracks which are stored beyond 40GB?

well, should be easy...just copy directories twice if you dont have 40gig of mp3s

[Little Wizard]

I think that with 9999 files limitation doesn't worth the price of an upgrade to 60Gb.
My music collection is about 60Gb and 13000 files.
Video files doesn't need lot of space, since i only put on music video clip..
I wonder if someone really use H300 to see entire films?!!!

[muesli]

i have only 12gb of music, but i am using my iriver as a storage device too. you can never have too less disc space ;-)

and you can sell your old drive. thus additional charge shouldnt be too much :razz:

[Mr Whippy]

I guess if you're running close to the file number limit you could re-rip albums to one file, thereby cutting number of files roughly 12x less.

[dinesh]

What Key would i need to crank open my H140? The screw is sooooo small and the shape is very misleading?!

[muesli]

you need a torx 5 screw driver. got mine in a building center for 2e...

[XavierGr]

Wow! Who can believe this!

Imagine a Player with 60GB (or 80GB ) and a new Rockbox firmware.
I cant think that anyone will need more....
iRiver would sell these things like crazy....

[the_winch]

Originally Posted by crypt@

- Have you tested tracks which are stored beyond 40GB?

Finally got around to trying and it reads tracks past 40gb fine alough filling 80gb via usb took ages.

[alienshards]

hmm.

i like the idea of the switchable hard-drives.

[FlameGrilled]

No reason why it shouldn't...

As long as the supply offered to the drive meets it's demand, and it should do (most 'laptop' drives have pretty much the same power requirements), you can get the drive seated safely without causing shorts and ensuring it takes little or no more space than the old drive did, it's simply a matter of more of less solving the connection bit and actually fitting it.

Got a damaged Karma here, with it's IBM Deskstar drive, which is gonna donate it's drive to some other project - likewise, a similarly 'doubted' transfer (Toshiba drive from an AV480) was a totally straightforward swap job to bring an old JB1 back to life and loads more WAV recording space.

In fact, with the JB, i didn't even need to patch anything or use a patch cord - straight forward connect and bolt-down job.

The only 'prep' needed was to put the JB1's OS portion and subsequent partitioning onto the transplant drive.. and that was easier than hand rolling a ciggy...

[crypt@]

Originally Posted by the_winch

Finally got around to trying and it reads tracks past 40gb fine alough filling 80gb via usb took ages.

That's excellent news!! Don't even have to wait for a solution (e.g. FLAC) from either RockBox or iRiver, just swap in a >250GB disk, and after 1 wk of download, lossless .WAV! :grin:

[mixin]

I thought that this article:
http://www.command-tab.com/index.php/ipod-super

Would and should be interesting to this thread