Why does the H10 have bass issues?

[ron2004]

I am just wondering--if everything is the same with all the iriver players in terms of the chip they use for sound why does the H10 have distorted bass issues and the other players do not ? I have owned many iriver players and have continued to buy them over the years knowing that the SQ will always be great. Until the H10--- Is this a hardware issue or a software issue ?

[irider]

Originally Posted by ron2004

I am just wondering--if everything is the same with all the iriver players in terms of the chip they use for sound why does the H10 have distorted bass issues and the other players do not ? I have owned many iriver players and have continued to buy them over the years knowing that the SQ will always be great. Until the H10--- Is this a hardware issue or a software issue ?

bass issue in only on mtp firmware 1

Corret me if Im wrong lol!

[Dreamt]

Originally Posted by ron2004

I am just wondering--if everything is the same with all the iriver players in terms of the chip they use for sound why does the H10 have distorted bass issues and the other players do not ? I have owned many iriver players and have continued to buy them over the years knowing that the SQ will always be great. Until the H10--- Is this a hardware issue or a software issue ?

Also, this player uses the portal player cpu and wolfson micro codec/dac, where the other players from iriver use philips chipsets.

[iRiverRox]

You'll be relieved to know its only a software issue, i have a US H10 and then converted it into V1.10 International and the bass distortion went away, Jeff mentioned that this could be fixed by the 2nd week of March...Fingers Crossed!!

[irider]

Originally Posted by Dreamt

Also, this player uses the portal player cpu and wolfson micro codec/dac, where the other players from iriver use philips chipsets.

lots of players use the pp/wolfson and this is the first time ive heard of eq distortion...and its not the first player to use the eq on the chip lol. True, most people think of the pp chips as ipod, but in fact they are used by about 15 different companies. PP is kind of a quiet company and you have to search for info but although some think you cant mess around with the pp5001,02, 1n3 20, thats not the case.As far as h10, the fact that its different in different firmware kind of answers the question for the h10. pp chips is also used in some advanced mp3 music and recording applications, not just mp3 players. Theres like 5 companys only making the chips or socs for mp3 players and they all have different products for different apps.
Everyone has thier own opinions on who is the best but the real difference is how they used by the co. who makes the device more than the chips themselves.

[Dreamt]

Did I miss something? Who said the chipset was the cause of the distortion? This is a different chipset then previous iriver daps, right? Different chipset makers have different levels of software support and the products do have different characteristics.

[irider]

Originally Posted by Dreamt

Did I miss something? Who said the chipset was the cause of the distortion? This is a different chipset then previous iriver daps, right? Different chipset makers have different levels of software support and the products do have different characteristics.

"Also, this player uses the portal player cpu and wolfson micro codec/dac, where the other players from iriver use philips chipsets."

If not the chip then are you saying the development kit was buggy or the developer.I dont know enough about it to make a guess but its not like this is an uncommon platform and the features are used in the h10 have been used by others without as many bugs , thats all I was saying. I think you probaly know more about what causes the bass distortion than i do though.

[Dreamt]

I'm saying philips did most of the coding for the eq and dsp effects on their previous daps , thats all. And no I don't think it was a buggy development kit either. If I had to guess I would say it was a firmware problem with iriver.

[ron2004]

Originally Posted by nitins

You'll be relieved to know its only a software issue, i have a US H10 and then converted it into V1.10 International and the bass distortion went away, Jeff mentioned that this could be fixed by the 2nd week of March...Fingers Crossed!!

Ok so I assume this firware is on the iriver international site? Will switching to this firmware hurt any of the napster songs I have on there?
Furthermore if it is an international firmware is it still in english?

[iRiverRox]

The firmware is still in english, and yes the firmware is on the iriver international website, heres wat you do:

1. Download the files for the firmware from Iriver website.
2. Take out H10's battery, put it back in.
3. Plug in the USB cable, Press "O" and then power on, keep pressing both buttons untill UMS shows up on the screen.
4. Then, put the .rom file from the new firmware on the player's root menu.
5. Then, disconnect the player.
6. Go to Settings - Extra - Firmware Upgrade (Last Option)
7. After player resets, Plug your H10 back in, then power on.
8. Go to the "system" menu, and put the other file in the new firmware there.
9. Disconnect the player, and you will now have the 1.10 version of the firmware...remember to download IRIVER PLUS that is avaliable somewhere on misticriver.net,

REMEMBER-DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, I HAVE CHANGED IT AND CHANGED IT BACK AND I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS. IF ANY PROBLEMS DO RESULT, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE!

[ron2004]

but will i still be able to play my napster songs? and also synch up to napster/wmp 10 ?
I actually use the napster thing a lot as I have a full year free.

[iRiverRox]

I have no idea, do the Napster songs come up as files on your computer, because if they do then you could add them to Iriverplus, and there would be no problems...if you give it a try, you could always change back to US version and use Napster if it didn't work on International versions...

[ron2004]

Originally Posted by nitins

I have no idea, do the Napster songs come up as files on your computer, because if they do then you could add them to Iriverplus, and there would be no problems...if you give it a try, you could always change back to US version and use Napster if it didn't work on International versions...

they do come up as files but i have no idea if they will work thru iriver plus. Can mistic jeff or someone weigh in? the bass issues really bother me

[iRiverRox]

If you try it, and it doesn't work, i'll show you steps (originally posted by heavin steven) on how to get your player back to the US version.

[Cardos]

If they are tracks you have bought from an online music store then yes the internatonal device will play them, however if they are subscrition based , like napster to go then no, they wont play using the international firmware.

with the international firmware loaded the device will not show as recognised in napster, however as far as device management goes, iRiver plus owns napster.