S10 VS Clix......

[nsx_23]

I'm having some trouble deciding which one to purchase. They're both around $140AUD, and I can't seem to make up my mind at all!!

The S10 that I can purchase is only 1gb, and it certainly can't do as much as the clix and has rubbish battery life. However, I'm absolutely amazed at the size of the player, and the design of it has stolen my heart. However, the 2GB clix has stolen my head.

Alright people, which one should I buy???

[LordMattman]

If its just out of those two, I'd go for clix.

But then again, Clix2 is coming out, you'd have to wait another month at the most (also fork out another $100 or so) but there's benefits

[theclixuser]

I'd say buy the clix. I own one myself and absolutely love it, plus it's got great battery life. You could also wait for the clix2 but that will cost more, so if you're on a limited budget go for the clix.

[hibell]

im pretty sure you've already made your decision.

but for anyone else whos in the same boat, s10 vs clix or any other players

go with your needs. list pros and cons. and which one will be of more use to you.

as for me, i went with the s10 (2gb). i wanted a tiny player. i usually purchase cowon products but since they don't make anything this tiny, it was between the s10 and the shuffle. well, it was a no brainer for me. even though battery life is crap on the s10, there's more crap associated with apple. and theres more positive aspects on the s10 than the shuttle.

the only other thing i didnt like about the s10 besides the battery life was the necklace style wear. just tacky. as much as i hate apple, the clip idea is genius. one thing about apple, they do know how to market and hook people into buying.

im trying to figure out how to use mines yet. currently in goes in my pocket but i do want to show it off. yet still dont want to wear it around my neck.

[Jenny]

Clix. Same price, twice the capacity, far better battery life. Not really much of a competition, is it? Well, it wouldn't be for me.

[ill_i_bus]

In UK at any rate, the 4gb Clix2 is 140GBP whilst the S10 2gb is 90GBP. (so they are not the same price with double the capacity in the clix2!)
Is it worth paying 55% extra for 2gb more capacity?
what if you're not the sort of person who watches tv, is there much point paying 55% extra if you won't even make use of the excellent moving pictures feature of the clix2?
I am also in the same boat, I had a sansa e270 because i thought i needed capacity at the time, and the clix was only 4gb when i bought it.
Since the headphone jack in my sansa broke, ive been using my 1gb t30 and found 1gb is actually not too bad, so hopefully 2gb would do me fine. It's not as though i'm ever away from my laptop more than a day, so i can always transfer more on them. the battery life does seem disapointing though, at only 8hrs, but i read in another review online, that one guy had his s10 playing for 3hrs, and one bar had barely come off...so maybe there are ways of improving battery life. maybe if you use shure e5c's and turn the volume down to 1 (like i do with my t30)?
So, what I wish to ask the iriver enthusiasts:
any reasons to pick the clix2 over s10 is you dont watch moving pictures or are not too worried about the battery life (always a pc/laptop around to recharge, and dont listen 24/7 anymore anyway). actually, i shouldnt even ask as im on a budget anyway.
I just hope my sansa is replaced under warranty so i can sell it to pay towards my s10 is i decide to buy it.

having said all that, i can envisiage scenarios where an 8hr battery life would be a hinderance, and it isnt always convenient to recharge using pcs/laptops. but those would be rare instances, and doing without audiobooks/music for a few days of the yr isn't going to kill me (the opposite in fact!).

[tommet]

Clix2.

Flashlite, video, battery life.

[mixin]

Personally out of the two devices I'd go with the S10. I've never had any desire to watch movies/tv shows/music videos/whatever when i'm on the move, so having that feature is somewhat a waste on me. Same goes with the flash lite support, i'd never use it because if i wanted to play a game, i'd either buy a newspaper and do the crossword/SuDoKu or i'd invent a crazy game in my head which is much more fun
I've used the video functionality on my H340 once or twice, but that was just to test it out to see what playback was like.

The battery life may not be great, but the sound quality is amazing, it's a tiny tiny device and the 2gb size is perfect for a handfull of tunes for my trip to work on the bus...

My vote goes to S10!

[Step666]

Originally Posted by ill_i_bus

In UK at any rate, the 4gb Clix2 is 140GBP whilst the S10 2gb is 90GBP. (so they are not the same price with double the capacity in the clix2!)

Yes, but Jenny didn't say 'Clix2', did she?

Originally Posted by ill_i_bus

Is it worth paying 55% extra for 2gb more capacity?

Well then, look at it this way: is it worth paying 55% more for an extra 100% capacity and 200% battery life?

Originally Posted by hibell

im trying to figure out how to use mines yet. currently in goes in my pocket but i do want to show it off. yet still dont want to wear it around my neck.

Some sort of case with a clip on it?
Gives you the shuffle-esque 'wearability' but with a screen...



Getting back to the original topic though, I don't think that comparing just the S10 and Clix/Clix2 is a particularly clever idea.
You should look at as many devices as possible and choose the one that best suits your needs.

[reverendbert]

@Step666
Yes I thoroughly agree, though, if you're dead keen on these 2 particular devices, I would opt for the Clix.

[Step666]

If the OP is 'dead keen' on two particular devices, to the exclusion of everything else despite there being a good chance something else better suits his needs, then I'm not sure why we're bothering trying to advise him.
If he's already made up his mind to that degree, there's not much we can say he's going to listen to.

[mixin]

What if the Op is 'dead keen' on the S10 or the Clix after looking at all the other options?
It could easily be that after testing a few devices they really love the D-Click navigation and therefore the S10 and the Clix are the only real options.

[Step666]

If, by some quirk, the most important feature the OP was looking for in a DAP was the D-click interface, then, yes, the Clix/Clix2 and S10 are really the only choices.

However, short of that, they'd still be as well off posting what it is they're looking for in a DAP - someone may be able to recommend something they'd overlooked previously.

[michaelzhang]

why not try buy both S10 and Clix?

i think this is a good ideas

[ShyAnne]

If you can only choose one go for the 2GB first gen Clix over the S10.

S10 is a cute little player but how practical is it? It's rated for only 8 hours battery life while the first gen Clix is rated for 25 hours. (Remember, you never get the lab-rated battery life in actual use.) Since all rechargeable batteries degrade with each charge/use cycle, theoretically a player with longer rated life should last longer than one with far less rated life. I don't think there are replacement batteries available for Clix or S10. Plus double the capacity at 2GB for first gen Clix as opposed to 1GB for S10, and extra features on the Clix. All the S10 has over first gen Clix is the cuteness factor.

[Step666]

Well, surely any arguments that favour the Clix over the S10 could also be applied to the Clix2?
Why go for the older model and not the current one?

[ShyAnne]

I would suggest anyone go for the Clix2 rather than the older Clix.

But the OP included price in the Clix1/S10 comparison and said he/she could only buy one and had $140AUD available to spend.

[Step666]

That's a fair point but it could also be argued that the advantages of the Clix2 over the Clix makes it worth whatever the price difference is.

The obvious one being the spectacular screen the Clix2 has but also little points such as UMS capability; a thinner size; the probability of better support as it is a current product, not a quondam one.

[gorcorps]

Plus aren't the prices for both generations the same? I mean now that the 2nd is out the 1st gen ones will go cheaper, but the 2nd gen models are the same price as the 1st gen when it was the only clix. So there shouldn't even be any price problems there. Clix2 all the way!

[alicee]

Honestly, I would only get the s10 if I was just going to listen to it for a short time and KNEW that I only wanted to listen to music. The Clix is a far better choice if you're into all the multimedia stuff; plus, it has the cute cradle&controller xD (I would get the Clix over the Clix 2 since the cradle for the Clix 2 isn't as cute)

I'm really into multimedia AND looks, so I'd get the Clix :] But if it was just looks, I'd get the s10.

[snapdragon]

just get the clix you already know you want it

[aceslick911]

Why is everyone complaining about the s10 battery life?

I own one and the battery life is perfectly reasonable. Unless you listen to music NON stop for the entire day, a single charge is enough for 1-2 days of casual listening. As soon as I get home, i just plug in the dongle and put her to charge.

[ShyAnne]

Originally Posted by aceslick911

Unless you listen to music NON stop for the entire day,

Seems simple, right? As in most things the devil's in the details.

The 8 hour rating is very conditional. It means 8 hours of continuous play only, with no equalizer, no fast-forwarding or rewinding, no pausing, no searching, no switching to FM for a bit, no recording, backlight off, etc. It's measured using only MP3 files with bit rate no higher than 128, volume at a constant of level 20 or less, and using only the stock earphones.

--Some people may want to use the equalizer
-- use different headphones
-- use recording functions
-- play it louder
-- use different bit rates
-- use .ogg vorbis files
-- use .wma files
-- play it through external speakers or through a car stereo
-- use FF, REW, Pause, or search for songs.
-- use it while traveling, where they may not be able to get to a USB port every day.

Some may want to use any combination of the above. None from the above list will get 8 hours battery life, especially using any recording functions which will get no where near rated life.

Additionally, the life of a rechargeable battery is estimated in charge/discharge cycles. A player with much longer rated life should last longer than a player with far less rated life because it will take longer to reach the hard limit of charge/discharge cycles. (That's total player life, not amount of battery time between charges.)

Once the internal battery reaches it's limit of charge/discharge cycles then the whole player is dead. On it's way to reaching the limit it will degrade and start delivering less and less time between charges, which can be a concern with only 8 very conditional hours right at the start.