PMP Games?

DozeBeatS · #1 (**permalink**) November 22nd, 2004, 08:24 PM

Any word on whether or not Iriver plans to put games in the next firmware upgrade? I know games were supposed be included in this player which was stated in a couple websites prior to its release.

Astec · #2 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 03:11 AM

There is no word of any games in the near future. This feature for many has been integral with their purchase. So we now are to rely on the wonders of Rockbox etc to produce firmwares for the player to get these features me thinks.

Hopefully we can enjoy the wonders of emulation and take full control of what we play and not be forced into living with iRiver branded games, which probably would be frugal to say the least, Emulation is the way iRiver.

TedJ · #3 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 03:22 AM

OK, this may seem like a silly question, but if you are that interested in games why not buy a gameboy? A dedicated game unit will beat the PMP in every regard... battery life, range of titles and most importantly, price.

I can't say I've read the prerelease announcements for the PMP's, but often they are based on little more than industry rumours, hardly good grounds to base your buying decision on.

I know I wouldn't buy a $800 AUD (retail for the PMP-120) media player on the off chance I got yet another freakin' version of snake.

Just my 0.02c on the matter.

DozeBeatS · #4 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 10:38 AM

Well i paid full price for my unit.I had it delivered directly from Iriver the day they got the shipments in.I did NOT buy this device because it had the ability to play games.I bought it for the 20 gig HD, the media player capabilities, the FM radio, and many many other things.Why would i want a piece of crap gameboy? I wasnt looking for a portable gaming system, i was looking for an all-in-one device, which i got.Im just mad that they decided not to put the games in.If you go into the system files, you even see a folder called game.So where the f*ck are the games Iriver?

Oh and im a noob to this but lemme ask...The pmp is open source meaning what, that anyone with enough knowledge can make firmware for this device? If this is true, than im a very happy man!

slimscsi · #5 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DozeBeatS

Oh and im a noob to this but lemme ask...The pmp is open source meaning what, that anyone with enough knowledge can make firmware for this device? If this is true, than im a very happy man!

The PMP is far from open source. They use a couple open source components, but thats it. As far as third party firmware, I plan on working on it(as soon as i get a pmp).

Astec · #6 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 11:41 AM

Ted J, iRiver advertises even on their american site to this day that the player plays games, the players lack of this leads owners to believe that this will be an added feature later in time.

Your implication that the player will end up with a snake game is a bit harsh. The player is an all in one device, ok my gameboy will have no problem in beating it hands down for now on the games side of things but if they advertise this feature then they must redeem themselves to complete this otherwise it can be put down as false advertising (Basically court cases, Not good for iRivers image).

DozeBeatS · #7 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 05:13 PM

Where is it on the website (plays games) i didnt see it.

**andrewmel** · #8 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 05:18 PM

if iriver advertises that it plays games that doesnt oblige them to supply games. my computer is advertised as being able to play games, but until i buy some from a third party it wont, and nobody expects it to.

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Astec · #9 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 05:21 PM

Ahh they have removed it. But if you look at almost any company selling the product they advertise games as they where told by iRiver that it would support them.

I am not totally surprised that it has been removed from the site as a court case would ensue if they didnt keep the promise. that I am sure of.

http://nordic.iriver.se/products.php...afa59307cca880

Game
Support for 8 bit games.

This is the only reference from iRiver i can find to the games feature. And it is on their official site so I wonder if there should be a bit of complaining.

Also andrewmel they are obliged to provide the ability to use all advertised features be it through third party offerings, users programming games for the player or they themselves producing some.By no means do I mean they have to produce them but if the feature is advertised it must work. In the Uk if the item cant do what is advertised then it is deemed "not fit for purpose".

**andrewmel** · #10 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 05:38 PM

but it does play games, well we think it does, isnt that fit for purpose by the legal definition? do the games actually have to exist?

i would guess that iriver do have at least some games they used for testing but judged that they were not of sufficient quality to release yet. they do take time with software releases, but seem to have good software when they do release it.

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DozeBeatS · #11 (**permalink**) November 23rd, 2004, 10:46 PM

This is from a VERY popular electronics store in NYC called JandR.They even have it listed as including 10 games.It was supposed to have games but maybe Iriver pushed the release to compete with other companies before working on installing games, who knows. Iriver, you sob's, i want my f*ckin games!

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3988047

Astec · #12 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2004, 02:04 PM

Notice iRiver has removed the plays games from all its sites now. Think this signals bad news for all teh people who hoped for some games. Now to wait for a 3rd party that will make it at least emulate. What is so hard about allowing users of the player access to information on the way the player works so we can get on and develop the games?

Andrewmel my point is that iRiver advertised it has the ability to play games which it clearly does not if they are removing the info from their site. I contacted a few sites over this question and guess what none replied. iRiver covering their tracks???

Please iRiver let us in so we can make the games.

Makaveli · #13 (**permalink**) December 21st, 2004, 01:49 AM

IMO.. having games on the PiMP is just like spraypainting a diamond.. with gold.. It's juz the finishing touches.. perfect for long trips.. when u finish ur movies.. What sorta quality is 8bit anyway.. what would u compare it with?... a game boy colour or better/worse

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Yeh and I agree.. they fully advertised the games.. worldwide.. and.. that means that they have to provide em.. but think about it.. iriver hasnt let us down that much.. when the ihp-3## came out.. some of us were pizzed cause of the lack of video support.. but they eventually released it right -_- after they released the pmp..

so just maybe irivers going to release a 'RiverBoy' the altimate in 8bit gaming experience..! then we will get our long awaited games!.

peace.. :d.. btw. u would prolly reduce the value of that diamond by.. a bit by spray painting it gold

Astec · #14 (**permalink**) December 21st, 2004, 12:45 PM

8 Bit games systems of old
the mastersystem was 8 bit. Megadrive/ genesis was a 16bit machine
The NES is also 8 bit so games of that quality are to be expected. come on sonic the hedgehog and golden axe take me back to my childhood. Dont get overly worried about the power as the pmp should blister the proformance of the oln NES players it should be about 50times the power and more. I really hope we get at least a route to make these games if iRiver dont.

Mophun · #15 (**permalink**) December 21st, 2004, 01:11 PM

I want Tetris!

(maybe Dr. Mario?)

Astec · #16 (**permalink**) December 21st, 2004, 01:16 PM

At this point all I want is the info on how to make the games ourselves we would make them faster better and for free(iRiver I doubt will).

Love the sig its catchin on now!

Also on the subject of games I plan some research into the pmp for xmas regarding games nothing more than that for now be assured my results will be sent here first.

Couch · #17 (**permalink**) December 21st, 2004, 08:50 PM

Sonic was 16-bit. That Blue guy didnt come around until the genesis.

Sounds like you should email them.v

Makaveli · #18 (**permalink**) December 21st, 2004, 10:45 PM

Grrrr! thx alot aztec now.. i really want to play sonic.. and super mario bro's..!! :'(... d0h

Astec · #19 (**permalink**) December 22nd, 2004, 02:43 AM

Trust me guys you probably dont remember the mastersystem it had the original sonic inbuilt or alex the kid I got lucky with sonic. It reall did come with it sonic has been around longer than you think. do a google if you dont believe me.

Makaveli · #20 (**permalink**) December 22nd, 2004, 11:44 PM

Now.. that was the last straw!..

I went to the international iriver site.. then to the support furums page and I asked 'Alice' What happend to our games!... She wouldnt answer me... And when I asked her if it would ever get games.. she just said 'no'. that's false advertising iriver!! -_-.

I was also supprised when I checked out an auction by mstation where they had people saying :

My dream machine coming in July!!"
Lazy architect on 14-Jun-2004 07:44:15 PM
Plays every media files I know, image files and 10 games preloaded.. Heaven~

Is this guy just crazy? or just a lying **** who has never seen a pmp in his life? or.. it was mstations false advertising.. i'm going to have a word with them

try and get them to give me a bit of a discout.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....tem=5738631937

Don't even think about bidding

peace.

Astec · #21 (**permalink**) December 23rd, 2004, 05:41 AM

Yea it seems iRiver have failed to deliver what was one of the final point that made me choose it over an archos. almost wish I hadn't. All the iRiver sites as I have pointed out have been removing the "support for 8bit games" from the feature list.

I am contemplating a plan of action as we speak more after xmas though.

Makaveli · #22 (**permalink**) December 23rd, 2004, 09:07 PM

good idea.. I can't do much till i get mine so..! u must represent us with bravity!
I'm supprised they did not say sorry on the site.. but i'm pretty sure iriver will load them in a future firmware. They can't just go dropping features after people have paid for them.. U prolly have grounds for return?

Astec · #23 (**permalink**) December 24th, 2004, 04:29 AM

I know but the thing as discussed further down in this forum is the suggestion of that the player has support but iRiver does not legally require to make the games just provide the platform.

Makaveli · #24 (**permalink**) December 24th, 2004, 06:04 AM

Thats true.. but its stupid aswell... If so.. doesnt iriver have the responibility of informing (and giving rights to) the companies who r to create the games for the PMP? If we were to get an emulator.. what could we do with that?

Astec · #25 (**permalink**) December 24th, 2004, 06:14 AM

load it to it then track down some games for it, as I have said I'm currently working on the subject hope to have answers in 5 or so days.

I think we need to get a petition together, and ask they do something about it as many bought on the belief there would be games for it, support for 8bit games to me says, it will either be licenced out or they will creat them, currently no one outside of iRiver has any info on the subject.