PMP Firmware Progress - Page 2

EvenfallDragon · #41 (**permalink**) January 3rd, 2006, 07:14 PM

Apparently not. Here is what I plan on doing tomorrow though:
I am going to call iRiver and tell them that I was upgrading the firmware and the PMP locked up. When I rebooted it, it would get stuck at the loading screen and do nothing from there, even when left for a half hour. I am going to ask for an RMA.

Now technically, all of this is true. I was upgrading the firmware and the PMP did lock up, in that order, so I am not really giving them false information. Knowing iRiver, chances are they will swap it out no problems for me. I would advise doing the same in the hopes that iRiver doesn't catch on too quickly.

**musichound** · #42 (**permalink**) January 3rd, 2006, 07:39 PM

I really think this thread should be edited with the risky firmware taken out to prevent further problems.Yes, there is a warning but more people will probably try this anyway, To those of you who are having problems I hope everything turns out OK.

Iaeolan · #43 (**permalink**) January 3rd, 2006, 11:33 PM

There any way to test this firmware in the future without risking more bricks?
Any preemptive steps? any way to emulate a pmp?

Or is the fact that we need pioneers for leap in firmware?

ShamrockMan · #44 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 01:49 AM

Can one of you who bricked the PMP do a serial port mod? It would be nice to see exactly where the PMP is hanging up on boot. I'm guessing its having trouble loading the hard-drive.

EDIT: To those who bricked their pmp's: Leave the PMP on for over 30 minutes,then the PMP might contiune booting. Also, can you tell me if the Hard-Drive light turns on at any point?

EvenfallDragon · #45 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 08:38 AM

SRM ,the PMP HDD light turns on only during the first boot image for me. I will try leaving it on for a while to see if that works when I get home. I'll update after that.

Astec · #46 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:04 PM

Right link removed from site. Basically for my sanity, but also as it is clear that there are too many noobs just bricking and dumping them back on iRiver. I know that some have to be bricked but to be honest it needs to be people with the capacity to help along the development.

starcrafter2k · #47 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:15 PM

im afraid iriver is gonna be pissed about this.... they'll stop supporting replacements...

Astec · #48 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:32 PM

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im afraid iriver is gonna be pissed about this.... they'll stop supporting replacements...

How so, under the sale of goods they have to replace mine. Came with 2 years I get 2 years. Its a load of cobblers for them to stop supporting it.

starcrafter2k · #49 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:41 PM

Ya.. but if all these people suddenly come asking for replacements because of bricked pmps that have the same symptoms of failure, and someone opens their mouth to tell irivier about this project.. then iRiver will be like.. well... we odn't support third party software, yada yada, you're on ur own....

Astec · #50 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Ya.. but if all these people suddenly come asking for replacements because of bricked pmps that have the same symptoms of failure, and someone opens their mouth to tell irivier about this project.. then iRiver will be like.. well... we odn't support third party software, yada yada, you're on ur own....

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H300
H100

PrometheusCon · #51 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astec123

Right link removed from site. Basically for my sanity, but also as it is clear that there are too many noobs just bricking and dumping them back on iRiver. I know that some have to be bricked but to be honest it needs to be people with the capacity to help along the development.

Thank you for calling us noobs for us taking a risk to brick our Pmp.

Astec · #52 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 04:58 PM

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Thank you for calling us noobs for us taking a risk to brick our Pmp.

Any idiot with any sense would of waited to see what the outcome was for others, there are several here that I know of that have PMPs that need RMAing currently and that can safely risk bricking as it makes no difference as they already have problems.

As for removing them, SRM got there before me, and also it was not directed at any of you but the idiots PMing me about it. The ones unable to tell their arse from their elbow, or their PMP from a stone.

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PrometheusCon · #53 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 05:11 PM

SRM I took apart my pmp and was able to get the hdd out. The connection is the same for a laptop HDD. So is it possible to plug it into a laptop [wont fit in my dads ancient one; off by about 3mm

] and reformat it? I have to original system files before it pooped out so if I reformat at put the system folder and whatnot back into the pmp will it reboot successfully?

Astec · #54 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 05:28 PM

Quote:

SRM I took apart my pmp and was able to get the hdd out. The connection is the same for a laptop HDD. So is it possible to plug it into a laptop [wont fit in my dads ancient one; off by about 3mm ] and reformat it? I have to original system files before it pooped out so if I reformat at put the system folder and whatnot back into the pmp will it reboot successfully?

Isnt it Ironic that you where offended about being called a Noob yet you ask a noob question in a thread on a topic that most noobs dont fully understand?

Answering it, not it wont work as if you where not a noob and had a bit more experience about this topic would know the firmware is loaded in a flash area on the PMP that the average user cant access without using cables not provided by iriver.

Sorry but this is seriously good entertainment due to the irony of it all. You could do what you have said already using your PC as normal to connect the PMP, makes no difference. The sys files are only half of the process

starcrafter2k · #55 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 05:35 PM

i dont think we need this kind of behavior at a forum that should be much more mature..

Astec · #56 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 05:42 PM

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i dont think we need this kind of behavior at a forum that should be much more mature..

What behaviour? Nothing was immature so far as I can see, just pointing out that on one had the poster says about being called a noob without the full set of facts, and the next asks a dumb question backing up my arguement and I point it out, politely inform of their lack of knowledge and enlighten to an answer to that question. Immaturiry is posting without helping.

BTW this thread will be mass cleaned in a few days after all settles down as it isnt the discussion thread.

ShamrockMan · #57 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrometheusCon

SRM I took apart my pmp and was able to get the hdd out. The connection is the same for a laptop HDD. So is it possible to plug it into a laptop [wont fit in my dads ancient one; off by about 3mm

] and reformat it? I have to original system files before it pooped out so if I reformat at put the system folder and whatnot back into the pmp will it reboot successfully?

The problem isnt with your hard-drive, its with the firmware thats been flashed. Can you possibly hook the PMP up to your computer via the serial port, and tell me what it says exactly?

EvenfallDragon · #58 (**permalink**) January 4th, 2006, 07:52 PM

I can hold out on RMA'ing the PMP and try to connect via serial port under two conditions:
1. Someone give me detailed directions on exactly how to do this and what I need to do
2. Whatever I do must be reversible or somehow removeable so that I can RMA afterwards.

If someone can promise me this much, my PMP is game. Astec, ShamrockMan, I will help under these conditions simply because the PMP is too expensive for me to just 'let go' in a 'noobish' move such as doing something that will COMPLETELY void my warranty beyond a doubt. Now THAT would be a noobish thing to do.
So if anyone can guide me through this, let me know and my PMP can serve as a temporary guinea pig.
~E

ShamrockMan · #59 (**permalink**) January 5th, 2006, 07:42 AM

Unfortunitly, connecting the PMP's serial port to your computer is not that easy, and iRiver would be able to tell that you have done so.

As for progress, szevvy is working on a emulator for the PMP so we dont have to worry about bricking more PMPs.

EvenfallDragon · #60 (**permalink**) January 5th, 2006, 09:41 AM

That's excellent. I guess it's RMA for my PMP. Next time I'm going to let a few others test out the firmware before I load it. Hope it goes well. I'm keeping up to date on everything pretty well. Keep up the good work SRM!

szevvy · #61 (**permalink**) January 5th, 2006, 06:55 PM

Got the serial port emulated for output - had to modify the firmware as a lot of error output is dropped due to a bug in the firmware, but this is good progress.

Code:

I2C write Error..
addr : 0000, data : 0000

At least now I know which chip's emulation is failing.

riahc3 · #62 (**permalink**) January 13th, 2006, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by szevvy

Got the serial port emulated for output - had to modify the firmware as a lot of error output is dropped due to a bug in the firmware, but this is good progress.

Code:

I2C write Error..
addr : 0000, data : 0000

At least now I know which chip's emulation is failing.

Thanks for the help szevvy. Progress will go much nicer/smoother now.

starcrafter2k · #63 (**permalink**) January 16th, 2006, 08:11 PM

so... it ends here? lol... any latest developements?