if you have a look they are not new down the bottom of the page they mention they are manufacturer referbished to new condition (wellthe ones iv seen say that)
so just be weary and steer clear...unless ur payin like 30buks max...
Jono
Edit: mmm i just checked, the adverts, and the pictures look different to the old ads they had for referb ones....my iriver came from them working well but still im :S about recomending them...so use at ur own risk, i still say steer clear...
Jono
EDIT AGAIN: just cheked australian EBAY and saw this ad, title says new, description down the bottom says manufacturer referb
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-IRIVER-Re...QQcmdZViewItem
so stay away...lol i think u get my point!!
JONO